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31) Question / Partitions: acoustic tracks and amounts

Hello everyone, When building my recording studio I plan to mount a partition plasterboard. But now, my ceiling is 4m30. Is there a limit beyond which is a bit less stable? Because after the first plate (2m60?), Will remain a part of 1m70 to climbing! Secondly, I want my rails are isolated (as possible) from the floor (and wall). I expected a little natural fiber sole to slide underneath. Is it effective? Is there something else.


31) Answer / Partitions: acoustic tracks and amounts
Answer / Walls: From a height of 2.8 mts amounts should be doubled. A strip of foam may also be the case. Amounts may also be isolated from the floor and ceiling by glass wool. Here are two addresses
on acoustics and on systems for greater heights.
http://www.systemed.fr/Forum/www.rt60.net/home.htm
http://www.lafarge-platres.fr/

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18) Question / Partitions: Rounding done wrong

Hello,
the plasterers were an arch between two poles and the curvature of the arch is not flawless. Since the joints have not yet been placed, do I have to ask them to redo it or is it possible to catch it at the joints? Regards Cedric


18) Answer / Partitions: Rounding done wrong
Bj and Happy New Year: I'd have to see this vault to try to tell you what you can do to fix it. Does each half is not the same, are they arrested the wrong doing? It could be corrected with the armed band. A picture would not be too many. A + Jorge

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17) Question / Partitions: polyurethane foam insulation that
Hello and congratulations for your blog
I'd like to ask you a question on how to apply my plasterboard. I chose the optimum system and when I bought my supplies wholesaler told me that the insulation foam as smooth polyurethane is useless and no artisan puts it. Your opinion? Thanks Dav



17) Answer / Partitions: polyurethane foam insulation that
Bj: It's true that nobody puts this insulation under the rails of plasterboard but it is beautiful and well marked in DTU. I myself have never been and I do not see what it can serve. A + Jorge

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6) Question / Partitions: solutions phonic
Hello and thank you in advance for the advice,


We plan with my wife to change our current home. We're going to rebuild a part of our house by adding a level. The construction will be aerated concrete.
We have 3 children and my fear is the spread of rumors.
For partitioning I need advice as to the type of product to use to separate rooms including 3 bedrooms, 1 toilet and 1 bathroom. And the second question is which technique to put in place during the implementation to avoid maximum noise from spreading through the walls and the floor.


. What I want to know is whether there should be an insulator between the ground and the low rail, between the ceiling and the top rail and the amount between the wall and knowing that all this is screwed and therefore there is risk of spreading noise by vibration.
Then I asked whether I pass the plates to provide rigidity and provide better sound insulation plate what quality should I use? Is it necessary to put the band at the junction of the first plates? And how to solve the problem of aesthetics on the thickness for junctions between the doors and walls since the thickness is greater than 72 is no possibility of recovery doors?
To avoid the propagation of noise through the ceiling I was also told that it was better a ceiling covered auto. What exactly is and what do you think?


Thank

6) Response / Partitions: solutions phonic

Bj: DTU foam tape in wet areas as well as a plastic film, the foam would not be bad for you . . Can you get from your dealer materials. There are doors to block the collection procedures for double-skin walls, but not in standard will require that your provider orders or have them made by a carpenter. I know the sound insulation it is not a special plate, you just take the BA 13. If you want the beefier you can put the BA18 or 3 instead of 2 plates. The first plate does not need joint tape. If you want to use a standard door partition 70 or 50 you have to screw a plate around the door frame on the 3 sides that makes the minimum width of partition and after your next set-metal structure and the 2 amounts the piece of rail of the transom on these plates. One side of the partition plates so will put it behind the cover and seal the other side it will press against the plasterboard screwed against the door after he's done there will be bands to seal the edges. A cap is said to be self raised a ceiling made with amounts, but you can do it both rails ceiling F530 and angles. It is important is that the cap is cut by the partition. For the safety issue should not act as if you were going to build a recording studio, you should also be able to hear what happens on the other side of the house anyway!. A + Jorge

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30) Question / Partitions: price supply

Hello I am Swiss and I stumbled by chance on your site concernat the plasterboard .. . and a wealth of information coming from an expert ... really well done.
I am writing because I intend to build a new home in Switzerland, but here we do not build too with plasterboard or not at all .... home is all brick. You
is it possible for me to quantify approximately the price of materials (not labor) for a ceiling of about 200m2.
This ceiling is suspended in a farmhouse (non amménagée attic). In fact I know the price of plasterboard and scrap metal. And
approx 200m2 of partitions (400m2 if there are 2 sides) with plasterboard and BA13 rail of 48 I think .... what price should it for materials only (+ plasterboard scrap).

Thanks in advance for your reply as soon as my work have begun, I will draw on and share information about your site.

PS: You can give me the price that you found in your euro because I'll definitely buy it in France (or should I buy it)
me again ... sorry for the price of the partitions is for both sides or just one side
really help me thank you very much ... Thank
last question .... partitions in the price, get 2 layers of BA13 from each side thank you
30) Answer / Partitions: price supply
Hello: According to the 2004 for the ceiling Batiprix you € 5.71 per m2 and € 9.95 for partitions per m2. It is better to add an additional 10% as prices rose.
I can only give you an estimate, because prices vary from one region to another. The price is understood the screws, coating and strip joints.
soon. Jorge
In this price everything is included, also for the 2 sides of the wall, rails, posts, glass wool of the partition. Unless the ceiling insulation. A + Bj Jorge
: in the price of plasterboard I put a diaper on each side. It's the only way to recover standard millwork draw to go. A + Jorge

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29) Question / Partitions: Implantation walls, draw level
Hello

Thanks for your valuable advice and availability.

We just make the whole installation of the ceiling (BA13 + + suspsente
fur) and the peripheral frame walls and I was wondering
question of how to implement the parts in the most
fair as possible.
I do not have a laser and do not wish to acquire.

If you have any tips or solutions to achieve this in the most accurate
, thank you in advance for you.
Which
surface and begin implementing the measure - tracing?
floor or ceiling? How
reporter accurately as it got to one side?
+ Level rule?
The plumb line is it reliable? (I can not use it
accurate)
How to make perpendicular to a wall?

again thank you. Good day

A + +

29) Answer / Partitions: Implantation walls, draw level
Bj: You made the ceiling, you did the dubbing placostil structure and you want to establish the partitions. If you have already made the structure of dubbing is that you have to trace and plumb it all, so you can venture to draw a wall and plumb.
To draw you must start with the easiest, down. You draw in your CORDEX partition and place the bottom rail. Done like this all your flat or level. Then you made the implementation of the top referring to plumb your ceiling structure. No need to draw any ceiling. Just bring the point: the beginning, middle and end of the partition and you aim your ceiling track. The difference with the top down and bottom that you stop at the door and up you go straight to the end filler.
Be careful: once you draw up the rails to the right side of face. Tip: Draw a line like this: I < href="http://placo.blogspot.com/2006/12/27question-cloisons-comment-faire-pour.html#links"> http://placo.blogspot.com/2006/12/27question-cloisons-comment-faire-

Here you can get an idea of how to "seal" a partition. The plumb and level when on. The level you drop it once and it is wrong afterwards. Even if you think it is more about prehistoric. Let's square portion is perpendicular to the rail, it is necessary that the party cone - truncated - rotates freely barely touching the bottom rail. To draw a perpendicular to it if you do not have a large square, you can guide you through the proportion of width to 60cm from point A to point B - 80cm length - from point A to point C, and 100cm right will link them when they are at 90 ° from one another - the point B to point C. All this makes a triangle with an angle of 90 degrees. You can use the steps 120, 160, 200 and so on to have a great imaginary square.

A + Jorge

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28) Question / Partitions: building walls for hanging heavy things
Hello

I beg to apply for a new question
I thank you in advance.

I was wondering how to fix the wall so durable, strong and effective
heavy or moderately heavy things, like kitchen units
by example.
I thought at first to use ankles like Molly
but with the weight generated, is it enough?
I also thought to strengthen the metal of the bulkhead by
wooden panels so that they will take over for fixing
furniture.
Yes but how to implement it and what form of wood?

Have you experience in relation to that?

Thank you in all cases for the time spent and provided valuable advice
.
Good evening. A + +


28) Answer / Partitions: strengthening walls for hanging heavy things

Hello: In these messages I am answering your question a bit: http://placo.blogspot.com/ 2006/10/32question-doublage-accrochage-tasseaux.html # links # links or http://placo.blogspot.com/2006/10/10questiondoublage-fixation-dlments.html

You must use the cleats sold wood to make keys for the alveolar septa. Simply put it was inside the post and tighten the 3 sides metal perpendicular to the plates, put all the wood in the amount if your item is very heavy. You can just enhancing plate-without-putting amounts as a wood, but it is best to screw in places where there is a stud.

soon. Jorge

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35) Question / CEILING: insulation, framing, hangers
Hello. Thank you for your wonderful site. But despite all your good advice I am still wondering because no vendor told me the same thing so tough. and I have to get the materials tomorrow so urgent

PROJECT:

Making a false ceiling BA 13 on metal frame.
Above there are the rooms with parquet wood old (100 years) 30mm thick, which do a lot of noise and insulation of anything necessarily.

first question) What insulation glass wool rock or how thick the seller told me I think a 75mm 200mm
and how to ask (attached sketch)

2nd question) Depending on the shape of my room to ask how follow parallel or perpendicular to the plasterboard.

3rd question) and lines every 60 or 50 does not someone tell me the same.

4th question) In the other direction because my joists (in brown on drawing) never the same gap I put the lines With what

The easiest and most fun you could do if possible. This is me drawing on my sketch the lines
fur and especially for the sense plates was mainly how to begin etc. ....

last question and the seller tell me to put an angle on all four sides of the wall but another telling me to put the rail and only 2 sides.

PLEASE HELP ME TO SAY ALL MY QUESTIONS. Thanks in advance



35) Answer / CEILINGS: insulation, framing, hangers
Bj: I took your sketch and I added distance between fur or amounts, depending on what you choose to put, and I also set up the plates. In this case I took to 2.6 in length but you can save $ 3.0 mts by varying the spacing of furs. The maximum distance between fur or amounts is 0.6 mts, you can put some at 0.5 and 0.6 as the latest in what cases, or in reverse: take 4 to 0.6 mts 0.24 mts and another later to complete the 2.6 with 0.6 and start again until the end. If you take the plates of 3.00 mts you can outrun all 0.60 mts from beginning to end. Regarding
the angles you need just two ends to rest your frame if you're going to do the ceiling with pelts F530. If you're going to do with amounts instead you can put the rails.

Furs track or ceiling will always perpendicular to the joists and perpendicular to the plates always furs.

The lines of the same fur must be spaced at maximum 1.2 meters no matter if your joists are not all at the same distance apart, the suspension must not be more than 1.2 of one other. You can put the hanger was 0.80 to 1 mt etc.. A + Jorge



I fell for insulating the ceiling enough to fill 200 wool fully without touching the joists or sentence. If it makes you down too so put in the ceiling between joists wool 100 and a layer of 100 fully does not touch the joists.
That all I can say. I am sending you this sketch exceptionally because right now I do not have much time for me, who am not a designer, to make it to the computer, I had for the least 2 hours. So I invite you to read all the answers already given on the blog and compare them to your project. Of course I can guide you on things you do not understand but I can not right now-do calculations for you or re-explain the same thing to everyone. That said, I hope with all my heart you will pass your ceiling and I wish you good luck. See you soon. Jorge

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34) Question / CEILING: II insulation
Hello,

Thanks for your reply. You advise me
45 with the vapor barrier if I put 2 layers of wool, the top can also have a vapor barrier?
Thank

Sincerely,

34) Answer / CEILINGS: II insulation
Bj: No need for a vapor barrier for the second layer that goes above the first. The vapor barrier must go against the plasterboard. A + Jorge

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33) Question / CEILING: insulation
Hello,

I have a question regarding insulation to my attic. I wish
:
1 - Keep the joists
Max 2 - Isolate best
3 - Leave an air space between insulation and adequate coverage.

For this I plan to use 100mm glass wool between joists with 45mm above between rafters. According to friends in the Var that is enough. The
worries is that I do not think wool 45mm bare.
Can I use fiberglass insulation for walls Isover BY type 40 or should I remove the layer of fiberglass?

Thanks in advance, Regards

,

33) Answer / CEILINGS: insulation
Bj: I think you can safely use glass wool for the walls. You're 45 with vapor barrier for walls "single space" 36 in coated kraft Isover + Jorge

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32) Question / CEILING: BA13 directly ask the on bastin
bjr mr
I can write you because I saw you on the forum leroy merlin 1 question

I possess an expansion in my house who was an old garage roof of a c is a slope fibrocimentfixer on planks 60 which was even based on bastin
then I remove the sheets lay directly on the BA13 bastin rest my Icelandic thin layer plate and screw me in the end? Thank you



32) Answer / CEILINGS: put directly on the BA13 bastin
Bj: I'll answer a question you actually want to insulate your ceiling, right? The BA13 is not yet is it not? Why will deposit the sheet in cement? Why not insulate between the joists, and then make a plasterboard ceiling? Otherwise you can actually raise your fibreC put plasterboard on the logs to your insulation and replace your sheets of fiber cement. A small image, it would be nice to be able to better judge the work to be done. A + Jorge

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31) Question / CEILING: lines phoniquesII
Hello,
Thanks for your kind reply, I expected to find a reference for you. In fact there is a model that seems at Knauf perfectly appropriate, 157 € HT before handing the 50 pro clip into the F530 - ref 900347 hanger Allegro, visible on their website too. We dug up an older version at Point P, in stock, and will advance the well site. As the result is too early to judge but the principle seems perfect?
Greetings,

31) Answer / CEILINGS: lines phoniquesII
Hello:
Thank you to teach me the existence of these lines at Knauf, like what's the point of having a blog, sharing of knowledge does not go in one direction. I also learn a lot of question posed to me and information like yours.
is on most voice transmissions in the case of a system such as plasterboard through the ceiling, and I am sure also that this system hanger will bring you more comfort in your ear. I ask you to let me know and I am at your disposal for any question or potential collaboration. See you soon.

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When the ceiling plays "Allegro" the range of silence ...

In its classic version, a pivot is used to suspend a fur in a ceiling. But when it becomes pivotal "Allegro", it has plus a rubber that changes everything! Indeed, by detaching the threaded rod of the hanger, rubber avoids rigid transmission between the ceiling and the floor. Result? The acoustic vibrations disappear and the silence is ... for the comfort of the occupants of a house!
Advantages: • Implementation identical to a conventional ceiling without additional cost • Solution • Setting up specific profiles without changing pitch • Thread the washer that replaces the nut • Locknut unnecessary
Councils of the Expert: Using rubber to create a sloped ceiling up to 15 °.

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30) Question / CEILING: lines "phonic"
I found your link, my market in St George Orc is already signed and you have not been not consulted; sorry.
Can you tell me if the lines "phonic"
worth it, I get asked the false ceiling (Placo on conventional rails) at 50cm below a wood frame, which itself is 3 bedrooms and more insulation (20cm mineral wool) on the ceiling I thought it would be interesting to break the lines by flexible elements which exist, obviously, but I could never see in real life. The layers in question do not seem motivated by any deviation from the simplest specification ....
thank you in advance,
30) Answer / CEILINGS: lines "phonic"
Hello: Even if you have already signed with someone else, nothing prevents you do in the future can not do more work together.
Regarding the lines "phonic" It's very rare to have sites where you have the opportunity to ask questions. Only once I've used these vibration lines. It was at Montpellier in the office of a psychoanalyst, to avoid phonetic exchanges between floors. Already the time each of the lines were expensive {10 € piece is that you made 33 to € mt2, and more had to order them! Your ceiling you would be doubled. Perhaps the prices were changed since then. I bought it at Union Materials.

is what I can tell you Price from experience. Soon

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29) Question / CEILING: spacings


hello, my question is in my attic I asked some lines of 480 mm over three beams that are the length of the house that represents a width of 3 m and each fur yours with 3 lines, is what it is enough in strength?

29) Answer / CEILINGS: spacings

Bj: the lines of the same fur must be spaced at maximum 1.2 meters and fur between them of 0.60 Mt Normally if the width is 3m and your sound beams uniformly distributed in this length that should not be a problem. A + Jorge

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28) Question / CEILING: noise ceiling III
Thanks for your reply, the expected visit of plaquist which for the moment to contact us soon. To the naked eye I do not see a bump at the ceiling. But if you speak really about ns, what should we do about it? Break the walls? Excuse my naivety ... and thank you again. Soon
28) Answer / CEILINGS: noise ceiling III
Bj: No need to break the walls. All this must be an explanation and your ceiling should not move or pushing with the hand or with the wind. It should not move anywhere, anyway!? Is it made a metallic sound when you pushed? If this is the case that a fur deccroché a hanger and this time the there should be a bump. See you soon. Jorge

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27) Question / CEILING: noise ceiling
II thank you for your reply. Can it come from fixing the plasterboard on track for qd is pressed placond false, it moves. Maybe too much play is there?
We will try your solution on the possible wind resistance by sealing with paper. I do not think this is due to the expansion of the frame because the temperature is tjrs constant ds home, there was never large variations. Regarding insurance, why is it that the builder who is involved? No sooner than the roofer if it is a pb air intake between the tiles?
Thanks for your future answer and we'll go see your blog.

27) Answer / CEILINGS: noise ceiling
Bj II: If the ceiling moves when you press it may mean that the place by rail are not attached to the lines or the plasterboard has not been screwed in this location. It happens. Times through glass wool and then come off the rails and hangers plaquist closes ceiling, thinking that all is well. To the eye it should be a bump at that location. Place a ruler or a timber that is clearly right to control the flatness of the ceiling in places where things happen.
When I spoke of the mason, because often they are the ones who are also the roof, but if there was a roofer that is well on his insurance will cause any problems. Good luck and keep me informed of the outcome. See you soon. Jorge

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26) Question / CEILING: noises ceiling
Hello, I saw your details on the SM forum
hello, I hope you can help me. I posted a msg earlier ms tt I will repost because I saw that you were a pro. We live in a new home (2 years) and pls weeks since we hear loud creaking upstairs at the plasterboard laid in slope, one gets the impression that the wind blows under the roof is cracked and the plasterboard. It's very noisy and ns not sleep because it surtt our bb ds ds his room and the corridor that is the + sound. A gentleman by the manufacturer must spend Wednesday he has already spent the last month I feel that ms can not do anything! It is a plaquist that we need not? At security, I do not know if the work-injury work pr this kind of pb? For the 28/01, the Biennale ends. Thank you in advance

26) Answer / CEILINGS: Ceiling noises
Bj: Question: Would it not he, indeed, to the wind by the tiles that can move your ceiling plasterboard? The expansion of the framework can also cause noise. For wind resistance he must block the passage of wind tiles for the expansion of the framework should try to have a constant temperature Inside the house, but both solutions are not the responsibility of plaquist. It is not their insurance is at stake but that of the bricklayer who must be ten. Already trying to butcher paper with the possible inflow of air from the side of the tiles to see if any improvement. See you soon. Jorge